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fallout11 has left a new comment on your post "GET YOUR ASS OUT OF TOWN":
I do not necessarily think that rural areas will necessarily be any better off.
[Michael sez: I DO!]
When the Soviet Union collapsed, people in the countryside had it the worst, and first.
[Was it because the collectivist mind of Russia had made off with their food because they wanted to keep Moscow and some other big cities supplied? Was it because they didn't have a 2nd Amendment and the idea that they could not be persecuted for the sins of their leaders? Rememeber, in Marxist theory the future belonged to technicians, not the peasants who labored in the fields and grew the food. Marx and Stalin considered farmers and peasants to be beneath their dignity. They would all be replaced by highly technical machinenry run by expertly trained technicians. When the food ran out in the cities the government allowed "capitalism" to come into food production and food started to appear in the market place. The onus of being a farmer and growning food was removed.]
[They never had many jobs out in the country side to begin with.]
services were discontinued,
[Services for what? The upholding of the local Comissar's hold on the populace?]
trucks quit coming,
[They didn't have many trucks. They didn't have mnany roads. They had one helluva hard time even geting their stuff out of the fields.]
[What infrastructure? That was their problem to begin with, they had no decent infrastructure. You didn't pull out on a Russian Interstate and head for market. It simply didn't exist. It still doesn't.]
government fell apart,
[Rotted away from the inside. The system wasn't going to work and the government couldn't afford to subsidize the damn thing anymore. They couldn't afford to pay secret police and army personel to hold the thing together any longer.]
and people left in droves,
[Oh bullshit. There were no droves of people in the countryside. If you lived in the country you got out as soon as possible. It was an old story in Russia. Being kept on the farm was the kiss of death.]
moved to the cities for better opportunities.
[Moved to the cities and worked for the Russian mafia! I probably would have done the same thing. It was a way out of the cesspool.]
FerFAL's posts on the situation in Argentina (1999-2003) remain forefront in my mind, because that is exactly what you will see here first and foremost as the slow decent into chaos continues.
[Well, we are agreed that the descent into chaos is on the way. I intend to plug any holes with 00 Buck on my road. I will have help doing this. And let the bodies lay to warn those who come behind what lies in store for them. Even a stupid tracker can read sign like that!]
The same occurred in other nations facing a severe downturn/early collapse in recent years (Soviet Union, Liberia, South Africa, North Ireland, etc), isolated farms and settlements were the worst off, lawlessness came to these areas hardest and soonest, and as with the failing years of the Roman empire (see Tainter, Diamond, Catton), citizenry actually moved into the burbs and cities, not out of them, for security and resources. The rural areas and small towns were hardest hit, even in areas with no violence.
[Were these areas filled with people preparing for the approaching calamity? Were they looking out for each other and maintaining good armaments? Did they have a history of resisting the forces of oppression? In this country the cities will be hit first and hardest. The rioters will destroy what civilization is there. Only after the destruction of the cities will the Freebooters come out into the countryside and start looking for food and shelter and water and other neat things.
During Argentinaâ€™s economic crisis (1999-2003), the rural hinterlands were the most dangerous places to live.
The same applies in Sierra Leone to this day. You also see this situation playing out in South Africa presently, isolated farms and homesteads are being targeted.
Even in first world countries (UK) in non-crisis situations , you see the same:
Rural crime breeds â€™siege mentalityâ€™
Isolated farm = soft target
[We aren't isolated. We are just out here where no one wants to live. Those other countries have gun control laws and severe penalites, especially the UK. But we have our wives and children out here and we love them. We aim to protect them so help us God. I can see where an isolated farm might be a soft target. But I can also see where a group might pay a terrible price for thinking such a thing. A good shot with a 30-06 can do a lot of damage at a distance and a shotgun can take care of close in work. Did you ever see the Gadsden Flag from the Revolutionary War? It has a coiled Rattlesnake with the words "DONT TREAD ON ME" written on it. I have one of those flags. Ain't never flown it but I damn sure can.
And another little tidbit on your cities. I care less what happens to cities. I honestly don't give a shit. I hate them. I hate their voting ability. I hate their laws and their regulations and their institutions. They have interfered with my life and my freedom. I look upon them as asylums for the insane. Has this bummed you out enough? May they rot in hell.]
Live on and stay alive. It's the most positive thing you can do!